Leave the United States if you can

It is time -- arguably, it is past time -- for you to get your family and your wealth safely outside the borders of the United States. America has become a police state that is moving quickly toward total surveillance and, in typical American fashion, the resulting society will almost certainly be the "the best and the biggest" tyranny in the world.

Make plans right now while opportunities still exist to secure your wealth outside of the authorities' rapacious reach because that door of opportunity may be slammed in your face in the near future. It is not merely that government at all levels is starving for the cash that's dried up from property taxes and, so, will steal and confiscate like a drunken highwayman. Many factors point to rise of the Total State, which will grind up your freedom, your future and the lives of those who resist.

full story Wendy McElroy: Leave the United States if you can

[Edit 2011-12-07: If you want to go the full 'stateless' route, see: Mike Gogulski's nostate.com]

Jumping ship

I am one of those Americans whose family, from both my mother and father's side of the family, came here from England in the 1600s; my mother's side were amongst those with Capt John Smith and founders of Jamestown. Let me go on to point out that I am a Veteran, as are my father and son; we are family from a long line of Veterans and Patriots, or at least that is what I once was.

I now find myself living in a country where liars, cheats, thieves and murderers control and dominate all the Federal and State Government Agencies; where I am more likely to be murdered by law enforcement than some drug crazed criminal and am having sodomites and Slick Willie Types shoved in my face and down my throat daily. Let me cut this part short by simply stating that I believe the worst to be true...9-11, Oklahoma, Waco, the Court System, Prison System, Military Complex, Media and maybe the worst, this God Damned Federal Reserve are all the enemies of the "Republic" for which me and mine have stood.

Let me go on to add that if you think I am a nut job; this is a nut job with and Engineering Degree and MBA who has run as many as 4 Savings & Loans before these F--kers gutted us.

So okay, I think America Stinks from the Top Down and to be more frank, many so called "Americans" stink as well and from my perspective, many of you are the immoral mongrel hordes...the "Ugly Americans" in every sense. However, I don't altogether blame you and this generation of Divorcees and Whore Mongers; the Wealthy Elite have worked hard to turn you into a bunch of gutter rats and now point the finger saying "See, this is why we must do what we do".

Well okay, this is how things are and I want to take my family and leave but where is the best place to go? Where can I transfer my wealth and not be robbed? Where can we go and not be reached by this murderous bunch of criminals? I will pay IRS whatever it wants and am willing to buy my freedom since apparently each and everyone of us owes from birth and I am not interested in arming to the teeth only to be murdered by the so called law enforcement. I want to leave the right way. Who do I pay off? Which Officials? Would it be a good idea to hire some ex-Attorney General,Politician, IRS Official or all the above? Where do I go and to whom?

Any suggestions? Suggestions of where to start?

Please excuse my typos,

Major Karma

[Great comment. --MJ]

Potential ex-patriots

Please leave, as quickly as you possibly can. May I suggest some enlightened societies you might like? Maybe Saudi Arabia, India, South Africa, Columbia?

I hate this country more every day!

South Africa is incredible. I would love to move there! The only thing keeping me is that I would miss my friends and family. I really do hate america and what it has become. We are all slaves.

Siberia, Siberia and once

People, Siberia, Siberia and once more - Siberia! Did anyone read Edgar Cayce's predictions? It is the safest place in the world with world's 30% or more freshwater reserves. Don't be scared, you'll get used and language is something everybody can learn. It is the world's most untouched land and good people and resources

Problem of all Americans is that many have a narrow view and are not ready to accept the opportunities and the fact that future is in Russian Siberia. Language is something anyone can learn, which is no problem, i believe. How did I learn English, while being 'Russian'? Easy! myself! Good luck to everyone! :)

I would like to hear more of

I would like to hear more of your insight into Russia i would also love to leave this place :)

I feel the same way. I wish

I feel the same way. I wish that I could leave the USA for good. Very unfriendly and very ignorant so-called people!!!! Corrupt politics!!!! Corrupt public education!!!! Corrupt everybody and everything!!!!

When we hate, we lose our unique intelligence to solutions

I love all the sincere outspoken americans. Without knowing you are showing the good side of America via your answer. This is the funny part! Now, as slaves we are to get together to undo the master minds game. You, me and a bunch of us can get the chains broken. By the way! Who would think that blacks will be in the White House living Dr. King's Dream? So, despite of all the bad going on, I, as an immigrant who reads America History see the light at the end of this confusing America time. You are one of the bright light of this dark tunnel. I am so happy you are alive!Let your mind flow, and you will be able to change America to a much better stage.

I say it is time to open our

I say it is time to open our eyes ,we need to take back what was suppose to be of the people for the people,not of the rich and wealthy.bring the whole deceased thing down.we the people have had enough.

Saudi Arabia? Are you serious?

Saudi Arabia has got to be the number one worse place on earth to go to. It is a radical Wahabi country that treats women as second class citizens. They are not even allowed to drive cars! The women wear that horrible spooky black (like death) shrouds in public. Saudi Arabia allows only Muslims to become citizens. It is on the list of the most intolerant countries in the world.

Reality of living and working in KSA

I agree that Saudi Arabia is one of the worst places on eath to live / work. Not only does it oppress women, but it also executes people for reasons we would never consider.

Foreigners are the usual victims. A typical accusation is sorcery. Very recently, an Egyptian Pharmacist and an Indonesian woman were accused of sorcery and beheaded. Easter of 2009 or 2010, a Jordanian TV star went for Hajj, was accused of sorcery and nearly executed. Fortunate for him, there was a world outcry. I saw this on CNN. Don't ever go to KSA to work or to visit.

Actually, I love Colombia. I

Actually, I love Colombia. I will move there. Compared to the U.S. the economy is not the best, but is much better than other South American and Latin American countries. Also, compared to the U.S. it is a poor country, but people live happy and at least the middle class and up live much better than here now that the guerrillas are technically gone (to the borders of Venezuela where Chavez protects them).

you probably do not what y a talking about

I just moved back here after 39 yrs in the US. This country stinks!!! my mother is termilly sick, the health system is the wors and there is no jobs.

I agree with you 100%. I am

I agree with you 100%. I am fed up with the usa and there beliefs.I am trying to salvage my firearms and sharp-shooting and trucking business.I go from charging the same price for guns as other gun dealers to charging only $5.00 over my cost and i lose customers.If i could get a job and place to live in Europe Asia Russia I would leave in a heart beat........

I agree

I agree 100%. Born and raised in the U.S. and have seen the people fall victims of their own greed and selfishness as they sucum to the corruption of this government. From the golden rule to the bumper sticker that says "He who dies with the most toys wins" this country has degenerated into a Godless, hateful, greed based, ugly demented cess-pool of fat, lazy, self-seeking degenerates that make dogs look more attuned with the concept of humanity. And it is in it's final days; for that I'm glad. Otherwise if I could afford to get my family out of here today I'd already be gone.

That was the most beautiful

That was the most beautiful comment I've ever seen in my entire life. You have inspired me, thank you.

VERY moving and well-said

VERY moving and well-said comment!! I am thinking Costa Rica....anyone live there?

I don't know

I was thining Israel, but scary. Russia is worse than USA. Jihadists are there too.Where in the hell can we leave?

Madagascar, Venezuela, India, Mo

Madagascar, Venezuela, India, Morocco, Yemen

[Yemen? Actually, your whole list is circumspect. --M.J.]

ISRAEL

DON'T go there, it will end up being one of THE most dangerous places when the SHTF ok ? Watch the you tube videos by Alex Jones and others ,

Leaving the USA

Hi MJ

I help Americans emigrate to one of the freest economies in the world; New Zealand.

Have a look at www.yieldqwest.co.nz and let me know if you have any questions.

Regards

Mike

would love NewZealand

My family and I would love to move to New Zealand , we just don't have the money to get there , this has been a dream of ours for over 9 years ,

stay alive

Whoa!!! NEW ZEALAND? apparently you are not well educated to the facts that this is the MURDER CAPITAL of the world. these people are mentally deranged, and hate tourists and newcomers. do your homework. lots of bodies in NZ. try Phuket, Thailand. sell t- shirts or something. see you there.......

new zealand

This post is in response to the idiot who is referring to New Zealand as the murder capital of the world. You are clearly the one who is not educated. I hold citizenship in the U.S and New Zealand and have spent alot of time in both places. I can tell you from experience that New Zealand is one of the safest and cleanest countries on this planet. No it is not a perfect country but it is not the murder capital of the world. In fact the murder rate in New Zealand is half of what it is in the U.S. I would take New Zealand over the U.S. any day. better education system,medical,government etc.... So don't talk out of your ass if you don't have the facts to back it up. It is ignorant people like you that give americans a bad name. You stupid ignorant prick check out the statistics your self. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

ooooooh, wikipedia'd! lol

ooooooh, wikipedia'd! lol

look who's violent ! the

look who's violent ! the other guy was just express himself. you are the one calling prick to people and stuff. take a chill pill

Illiteracy

Having to navigate through a sea of illiteracy, the same illiteracy that's ruined American, is infuriating ...no wonder the guy is angry.

No literate person should have to tolerate non-sensible responses from the Phlebian class.

Violence?

Jeez.... You make a solid point with that there response.

Nice

Nice, that was funny. And yea he is just trolling; probably missed the porn button like a typical american moron. Lol

Hey! I'm an american moron

Hey! I'm an american moron and I've never missed the porn button in my life...lol.

I would be interested in

I would be interested in moving to New Zeland! It looks beautiful, and clean. I don't know about their crime rate, but it can't be any worse than the US. Is it a good place for gay people?

Did you seriously just say

Did you seriously just say that? New Zealand is definitely not the murderous bloodbath you describe. We may not have sunshine and rainbows pouring out of every alleyway but neither does your beloved thailand or phuket! We have ups and downs like every other country but I personally think New Zealand is a great, cultural, friendly country. I recently moved here (2 years ago) but half my family (mother's side) has been here since it was colonized. Nz was the last country to be colonized in the world, but it's culture is vast. There are plenty of jobs available here and a loving community. Sure there are murders here, are there never any murders in thailand? What about it's infamous red light district? Or the child prostitution? So far, New Zealand has proven to be a clean, nuclear free, happy country that put's it's best foot forward. Please get your facts straight, New Zealand is NOT the murder capital of the world. That is so far from the truth it's ludicrous. I would suggest NZ to anyone wishing to get away from USA.

new zealand

hey mate i live in nz and we are no mental deranged killers lol. yanks are the trigger happy fools of the world. u beleave that terrosts blew up the trade towers lol. it was your goverment..... 1@!@!@!@!@! do your fucking home work u ingorant fuck.

nz is nice but our goverment is fucked like usa goverment. not good to worried about money... we have no need for money here we can look after our selfs. good fish good land for farming and nice place to be. good water untill the farmers go it there way. fuck the goverments. ova throw them and live free. good luck, u know u can all way jump off a clif or kill your self to get the freedom you so much want. see u o nthe other side gl :)

I love the way you said

I love the way you said this, especially the part about how you all can look after yourselves. Right on my NZ brother, now try getting these Americans to understand this.

I had to use a proxy to post this

I am an American of arab decent . Born and raised like the rest of you suckers I went to the same schools and pay my taxed so that the fat fuckers can eat off welfare.

I will be moving, I would rather live in a war torn country then in a country where your neighbor is plotting against you. I have lived in this area for 20 yrs and I don't know anyone on my blocks name. Not that I want to.

I have been working on leaving for a while. I cant stand how dumb some Americans are just because I am an Arab they want to hate on me. I lost family in 9-11 and Lost some more in the war in iraq. The way I look at it is, I don't want to be in a country where Fags and gays are all in your face about it.

Plum Island (an island outside new york) is engaging in biological warfare. God is so pissed at this country. Open marriages, Gays, Drugs, Paedofiles, murders, Robbery for clothing, Killing someone for their shoes!

I am really angry when I go into Kroger and I am counting my change to get a deli sandwich while the fat nigger bitch in front of me is loading up on T-bone steaks with her food stamps.

Flame all you want I wont even see your post because I will loose the link to this site.

To the MJ - You my friend are the type of people who can take this country back, but not until it is in ruins.

I Will be moving somewhere communist because laws like Gay marriage don't exist and if you insult god you get killed.

That's just my view. I love this country and pray that the Jews give it back to its owners. But I must leave for now at least to get my mind straight

# # #

["To the MJ - You my friend are the type of people who can take this country back, but not until it is in ruins."

Dude? What did I do to you? Or am I reading this wrong? People are responsible for themselves, you want it fixed, then go fix it. I don't support welfare. I don't support theft. I don't support anyone getting to choose how others live their lives. I do support free speech, so, I also fixed your formatting and spelling errors, as your rant was hard to read. But your gay bashing is a bit over the top. --MJ]

Figures

Another 3rd worlder who helped suck America dry and now wants to leave. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

I WANNA GO TO NEW ZEALAND

I WANNA GO TO NEW ZEALAND AND FISH!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't blame Americans

Don't blame Americans for a blood thirsty country. It is a government that spends tax money like it has no end. This government will burn in hell. I served this country and would leave it in a minute. LIke any country, some people are great, some are assholes. Some are giving, others are self centered jackasses.

I would love to move to NZ, thailand, because this country was built on the belief in God, and now has turned its back on him and will pay a huge price very soon. American will soon find itself torn apart. Financially, as well as destroyed by its selfish greed, as well as natural disasters.

I just pray God has mercy on those who cannot stand the government and its dictatorial leadership. obama and those before him are destroying this nation from within. I can no longer stand living with a government that has destroyed such a great nation. This government acts like it knows what is best for every country, yet has made the US the toilet of the world.

Yup, and that's the "New

Yup, and that's the "New Zeelund Educayshun" that the other poster was extolling (LOL). I have been unimpressed by it Critical thinking? Leave critical faculties and good spelling at home, as the schools don't want those. Mindless conformity and kicking balls aroundt is what they want. We had the kids in the system for awhile, and chose to homeschool. Mind you, we did that in the States too. But don't think you will move to New Zealand and escape idiocy just because the idiocy is more "on display" in America. I am regularly informed by "normal, average" Kiwis that America faked the moon landing. :)

It is not the murder capital

It is not the murder capital of the world. It's just way too expensive, remote, and they don't like Americans that much, among other things. It's like plunking Switzerland down in the middle of the ocean and trying to live there. Try to live on 3x the cost of your current living on half your wages with locals making snarky anti-American comments at you. Housing stock is appalling.

Wheres my axe?

LOL Yes everyone. Please stay away. We are all murderers.
We have no resources and we are a nuclear free zone meaning no one is interested in us. Perfect.

So true about New Zealand,

So true about New Zealand, stay away from that dump. In fact New Zealand is known for killing and conning white people. Just a few weeks ago a Christian church was bombed. Also people from NZ are hacking a HUGE number of American's computers, stealing identities and creating all kinds of stupid lies to steal American's money. It started about ten years ago. One of the first big schemes was in the form of email where they would say a family member died in NZ and they were in control of the inheritance. A LOT of bullshit. South America's Coastlines are the best places to go, except the eastern side. Chile is the safest by far as long as you stay out of the mining facilities in the Mountains.

Free my arse

New Zealand has put a guy called John Key not to be trusted he is one the Iluminati he is part the world corruption run by elite Jews who want destroy american and all other countries Liberties so that is why i say free my arse" your under an Ilusion.
So who are these people world bankers Called Rothchild,Rocafella's and oil companies,BP SHELL, low lifes like Bush,Clinton Obama,THE PUPPET THEATER OF Liers deceiful scumbags like Tony Blair,George Brown uk goverment.

Tax and defaulted student loans

Will a Tax lien and a defaulted student loan keep me from leaving the U.S. and going to the Philippines to marry my sweetheart that I met back in Thailand in 2007! I took some kind of financial statement over the phone with some IRS lady and she told me that they can not garnish or come after me anymore; BUT, that the interest rate on my lien will still keep climbing.... < THAT and my Government defaulted student loan are what I am afraid of are what will stop me in San Fransisco. I have been doing some research and I even asked some lawyers here in Dallas... the same thing I am asking you < I am just making doubly SURE that I can leave!

So, what do you think? The only thing I have seen of people that can NOT leave are people that owe child support!

What are your thoughts, please email me as soon as possible!

[You can always leave. You just may not be able to come back. --MJ]

Philippines

First off, the US government cannot keep you out of the US if you are a US citizen. I mentioned this to a guard while returning from Mexico last year and he said "I know but most people don't know that"
All you need to get to the Philippines is a passport and plane ticket. Visas are not required for up to 21 days. If you and your sweetheart are serious you can get married here and that entitles you to apply for a residence visa or a Balikbayan Visa, either gives you much of the privileges of being a Philippine citizen. Once you are here and in good standing you will not be deported. If you are worried about your point of departure you can fly to Vancouver BC on Alaska Air then fly Cathey Pacific to Hong Kong and then Manila.
To tell the truth I am in Manila now with my filipina wife. Don't know if I will renounce but moving all my assets and business here.

Agreed

Hell I am thinking of moving to NZ. Sounds nice. I am all for it just for the fact that there is more English speakers there then here in the US. The rate is dropping fast every year that these illegal immigrants come here, in the millions mind you. And nothing is done about it. Very sad.

New Zealand

Thank you Mike for that link. I am still a Dutch citizen and have lived in the US since 1980 and now I am leaving! It is ridiculous here!

Mike, I never thought I'd

Mike, I never thought I'd say this, but I'm definately thinking about getting out. Things in the USA are getting no better. New Zealand sounds like a nice country. I'm definately not going to Europe; they're in worse shape than we are. How much money would it take for to move to New Zeland and live comfortably?

No, most of Europe's doing fine

'I'm definately not going to Europe; they're in worse shape than we are.'

No, that's not true, you only get that impression b/c the media in US stupidly lumps a whole range of European countries together as an imaginary single unit called 'Europe,' when in fact their paths are very diverse- 'Europe' is NOT tantamount to 'Greece'.

Countries like Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Germany, the Netherlands, much of France and Belgium have probably the strongest economies in the world, they're exporting powerhouses and don't have the luxury of having a lot of oil. (Especially Germany, #2 exporter after China even though only about 1/10 of China's population!) There are great jobs there since they've held on to their manufacturing and hi-tech rather than stupidly outsourcing it like the US and UK have, Even in a worse-case scenario, these countries will always be strong and pick themselves right back up, since they've held on to their industrial bases and tech. Plus the people are friendly, you can keep your guns in many of them esp in the core European countries, health care and day care are affordable and part of the public trust, there's no affirmative action or such to worry about, public transportation and infrastructure are great.. You get the picture, overall quality of life is far better.

Obviously it's a different situation for some of the other countries. Greece, Ireland, Portugal and Britain are indeed even worse off then the US, heck every time I visit the United Kingdom it seems they're about to default and break out into civil war. But some of the other 'problem' countries aren't nearly as bad as they sometimes get portrayed. Spain and Italy esp. are much more resilient then they get credit for, they have many prized export industries, great tourism, very low personal debt, so they too will do fine. But it's the countries above, mainly the Nordic lands and the central portion of Europe that are probably best places to go to, work and raise a family.

I love how the US media is

I love how the US media is always portrayed as brainwashing Americans. After living and spending considerable time in Germany and Spain, I can promise you that it works both ways. I would much rather live amongst Americans than pompous Europeans. Americans are some of the most down-to-earth people I've ever met, regardless of their governments stupid mistakes.

hi i want to live this place

hi i want to live this place but i dont have money i am irish itlian russain and indain please help me get out of here. america is not free.

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